Thanks......yeah....I guess I wonder if my teaching sucks. I rationalize that it's just a very gradual slow learning curve. I know it took over a decade for me to get past the beginning level. ....Kayaking gets far easier when you get good at it. It's most difficult when you're beginning. Later on when the fear subsides a bit you can relax and let the water do the work. So many things in life are like that......once you learn how to set it up properly, the work does itself.